Trust account reconciliations and AI security: what a trust ledger gives away in ChatGPT or Claude.
A trust ledger lists the clients whose money the practice holds, how much and why. Reconciling it against the bank statement is routine, and a formula that will not balance is the kind of problem staff paste into ChatGPT or Claude to find. The sheet contains every client’s name and matter, their balance, the trust bank account, and free-text notes that often record a health or family circumstance. This page marks each cell that bears on the NSW trust account and audit rules and on privacy, and shows how the same ledger is checked on Ermos inside the practice.
The trust account reconciliation spreadsheet
Prepared at the end of each month by comparing the client ledgers with the trust bank statement, and drawn on by the auditor at year end.
| A | B | C | D | E | F | G | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Client and matter | Opening 30 Sep | Receipts | Payments | Closing 31 Oct | Last entry | Note |
| 2 | Kessler, J & M1 purchase, Unit 9/28 Lyrebird Pde, Dulwich Hill2 | 0.00 | 20,000.003 | 0.00 | 20,000.003 | 30 Oct | Towards duty and fees |
| 3 | Tarrant, R & S1 purchase, 7/3 Wren St, Petersham2 | 0.00 | 186,940.75 | 186,628.30 | 312.454 | 16 Oct | Refund owing, cheque to be drawn |
| 4 | Duong, L1 sale, 2/19 Heron Ave, Marrickville2 | 5,400.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 5,400.00 | 14 Aug | Held pending pest report. Ms Duong in hospital to mid Nov, daughter instructs.5 |
| 5 | Beaumont, I & G1 purchase, 18 Alder Close, Lilyfield2 | 0.00 | 154,310.00 | 154,310.00 | 0.00 | 30 Oct | Settled |
| 6 | Wiremu, T1 purchase, 40 Pitt Lane, Newtown2 | 2,150.00 | 0.00 | 2,150.00 | 0.00 | 8 Oct | Unused search fees refunded |
| 7 | Castellan Family Trust, trustee P. Castellan6 off-the-plan, Lot 3 Kellyville2 | 0.00 | 61,800.00 | 0.00 | 61,800.00 | 29 Oct | Deposit, held per contract |
| 8 | Total client ledgers | 7,550.00 | 423,050.75 | 343,088.30 | 87,512.45 | ||
| 9 | Trust bank statement 31 Oct | 87,512.457 | Brindle Lane trust account, BSB 000-000, account 0000 53097 | ||||
| 10 | Difference | 0.009 | Reconciled and signed off by R. Teague, 2 Nov 20268 |
An invented trust ledger. The BSB and account number are placeholders, and the clients and matters are fictional. Hover or tap any highlighted cell for the analysis; the full list is below.
What leaves the practice
- 1Client names
Several clients who have nothing to do with each other, on one sheet. A single paste discloses all of them, though only one of them needed the check. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Every client name transmitted at once Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 2Matters and property addresses
Which client is buying or selling which property. Keeping client information confidential is listed among the rules of conduct in Schedule 2 of the Conveyancers Licensing Regulation, according to the NSW Government’s conveyancers page.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Every matter and address transmitted Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 3A client’s balance held in trust
What a client has paid in and the date. NSW guidance says funds held for a person cannot be used for any other purpose, and the balance shows how much a client has set aside. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Every balance transmitted; on consumer tiers they can train future models Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 4A balance owing back to a client
A small amount left after settlement. The practice has to account for the balance, and an item left in the ledger is the sort of detail an auditor asks about.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) A balance owing to a client transmitted Ermos Edge The AI can still misread a balance; the licensee must check the ledger against the bank Ermos Dominion The AI can still misread a balance; the licensee must check the ledger against the bank - 5A health circumstance in a note
A named client in hospital and a daughter who instructs. Health information is sensitive information under the Privacy Act, and a free-text note column is where it ends up. Patient data guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) A client’s health circumstance transmitted Ermos Edge Leaves inside a permitted excerpt only when the question needs the note Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 6A trust and its trustee
The name of a family trust and the trustee, with the deposit it has paid. Information about a business structure and a named individual. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) A trust and its trustee transmitted Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 7The trust bank account and statement balance
The account the practice holds client money in and what it held on 31 October. NSW guidance says the account must be at an approved authorised deposit-taking institution, and this is the one a fraudster would want to name.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) The trust account and balance transmitted Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 8The reconciliation sign-off
That a named conveyancer reconciled and signed off the ledger on a date. The audit record shows a human did the work. NSW audits cover all records relating to trust money, and the period ends on 30 June each year.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) The sign-off record transmitted Ermos Edge Not about where data goes; the sign-off is the licensee’s own Ermos Dominion Not about where data goes; the sign-off is the licensee’s own - 9The difference formula
A subtraction of two cells with no data in it. Spreadsheet files can also carry hidden columns, cell comments and formulas that read other sheets, so a formula is only harmless when the file around it is.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) A subtraction of two cells carries nothing, though the file around it may Ermos Edge Not about where data goes Ermos Dominion Not about where data goes
What happens in Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude)
- The whole document is transmitted to the provider’s servers. On personal plans the user cannot choose where it is stored or processed, and for the major providers that has generally meant outside Australia, under that country’s legal process. Some business plans offer storage in Australia, but the provider still receives the content.
- On consumer tiers, prompts can be retained and used to train future models.
- The provider’s staff and systems can reach the content under the provider’s own policies.
- Once sent, the practice no longer controls it. Retention and deletion happen on the provider’s terms.
The same document on Ermos
Ermos Dominion
The document is drafted on a unit in your office, from your own templates and the matter file. Every marked item stays on the unit, which keeps working with the internet switched off. Nothing in it is transmitted to an AI provider, so there is no disclosure to analyse: the confidentiality work is the same as for your file server.
Ermos Edge
Your documents, the index and your access boundaries stay on your own instance in an Australian data centre. When a staff member asks for this draft, only their question and the excerpts they are permitted to see go to a named Australian provider, who is contractually barred from keeping the content or training any model on it. Nothing is processed outside Australia.
| Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) | Ermos Edge | Ermos Dominion | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Where the document is processed | Provider servers, generally offshore on personal plans | Your instance in an Australian data centre; answers generated in Australia | The unit in your office |
| Who can read it | Provider staff and systems, under policy | Your staff, within the boundaries you set. The named Australian provider processes only permitted excerpts, under contract, and keeps nothing | Your staff only |
| Is it kept | On the provider’s terms | Kept on your instance; the provider is barred from retaining it | Stays on the unit |
| Can it train a model | On consumer tiers, yes | No, by contract | Only your own unit learns from it, on your hardware |
Part of AI data leakage in conveyancing practices.
Common questions
Do ChatGPT and Claude use the information in a trust account reconciliation spreadsheet?
Can we use ChatGPT or Claude for a trust account reconciliation spreadsheet if we remove the names?
Can I upload a trust account reconciliation spreadsheet to ChatGPT or Claude instead of pasting it?
How can a conveyancing practice use AI for a trust account reconciliation spreadsheet without sending it to ChatGPT or Claude?
How are NSW conveyancer trust accounts audited?
What does NSW guidance say about unclaimed trust money?
What happens if a practice lodges its trust audit late?
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