Payroll queries and AI data leakage: what an STP email gives away in ChatGPT or Claude.
Payroll correspondence is where AI confidentiality stops being about the client. A single query email about Single Touch Payroll can carry the names, tax file numbers, pay rates and superannuation funds of people who are not the firm’s client and have never dealt with it: the client’s employees. This page marks every item in a routine payroll email that the TFN Rule and the Privacy Act protect, and shows how the same email is drafted on Ermos without any of it leaving the practice.
The payroll query email
Sent to the client’s bookkeeper or office manager when an STP report fails validation or figures need correcting before the quarter closes.
To: Rachel Dunne, Office Manager, Harbourline Joinery1
From: Jessie Whitlam, Northgate Partners9
Subject: STP corrections before 28 October
Hi Rachel,
The September STP submission was rejected. Three records need fixing before we re-lodge:
- Priya Okafor2: TFN 123 456 7823 has a transposed digit in Xero. Gross for the quarter $6,000 (director’s fees), no PAYG withheld4, which the ATO flags because no TFN declaration is on file.
- Marcus Hale2: commenced 4 August on $78,000, but the first two pays were processed at the apprentice rate. Back pay of $1,846 is owed.5 His super fund is Australian Retirement Trust, member 12345678; the June quarter contribution went to his old REST account and needs to be redirected.6
- Sione Tupou2: terminated 19 September. Final pay included 23.4 hours of unused annual leave. He has lodged an unfair dismissal application with the Fair Work Commission, so please keep the termination date as recorded and do not adjust the final pay without checking with us.7
Also, Daniel mentioned he wants to put the new apprentice on as a contractor. We need to talk about that before anyone is paid, because on what he described she is an employee.8
Thanks,
Jessie9
An invented email. The TFN is the ATO’s published example value. Hover or tap any highlighted item for the analysis; the full list is below.
What leaves the firm
- 1The client’s staff member
Named and attached to the client, so everything below is identifiable. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted to the provider, generally offshore on personal plans Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 2Three employees by name
None of them is the firm’s client. Each is an individual whose personal information the firm holds only because it does the client’s payroll. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Three people’s details transmitted, none of them clients Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 3An employee’s tax file number
The TFN Rule permits TFN information to be used or disclosed only for authorised tax, superannuation or personal assistance purposes, with access restricted to people who need it. A payroll fix is such a purpose; a frontier model provider is not such a person. Tax file numbers guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted to the provider, which is hard to reconcile with the TFN Rule Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia. If it sits in a permitted excerpt, it goes only to a named Australian provider that answers and keeps nothing Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 4Pay and withholding
Director’s fees and the absence of withholding. Salary information is among the personal information people most expect to be kept private. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted; on consumer tiers it can train future models Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 5A pay error and back pay owed
An underpayment, with the amount. Information the employee may not yet know, and which would matter in any dispute. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted before the employee knows Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 6Superannuation fund and member number
Fund membership details are financial identifiers. Combined with a name and date of commencement they are enough for a fraudulent rollover attempt. Privacy Act guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted and kept on the provider’s terms Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 7A termination and a Fair Work claim
That an employee has been dismissed and has lodged an unfair dismissal application. Highly sensitive to the employee and to the client, and now outside both. APES 110 confidentiality guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) A live employment dispute transmitted Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 8Advice on a contractor arrangement
The firm’s preliminary view that a planned arrangement would misclassify an employee. Advice under the TPB Code, transmitted before it was given. TPB Code guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Advice transmitted before it was given Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office - 9The staff member who sent it
Ties the email to the firm and to a junior employee working under R113.2 supervision. Checking AI output guide.
Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) Transmitted, and the leak is traceable to you Ermos Edge Stays on your instance in Australia; leaves only inside a permitted excerpt, per question, to the named provider Ermos Dominion Stays on the unit in your office
What happens in Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude)
- The whole document is transmitted to the provider’s servers. On personal plans the user cannot choose where it is stored or processed, and for the major providers that has generally meant outside Australia, under that country’s legal process. Some business plans offer storage in Australia, but the provider still receives the content.
- On consumer tiers, prompts can be retained and used to train future models.
- The provider’s staff and systems can reach the content under the provider’s own policies.
- Once sent, the firm no longer controls it. Retention and deletion happen on the provider’s terms.
The same document on Ermos
Ermos Dominion
The document is drafted on a unit in your office, from your own templates and the client file. Every marked item stays on the unit, which keeps working with the internet switched off. Nothing in it is transmitted to an AI provider, so there is no disclosure to analyse: the confidentiality work is the same as for your file server.
Ermos Edge
Your documents, the index and your access boundaries stay on your own instance in an Australian data centre. When a staff member asks for this draft, only their question and the excerpts they are permitted to see go to a named Australian provider, who is contractually barred from keeping the content or training any model on it. Nothing is processed outside Australia.
| Frontier Models (ChatGPT, Claude) | Ermos Edge | Ermos Dominion | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Where the document is processed | Provider servers, generally offshore on personal plans | Your instance in an Australian data centre; answers generated in Australia | The unit in your office |
| Who can read it | Provider staff and systems, under policy | Your staff, within the boundaries you set. The named Australian provider processes only permitted excerpts, under contract, and keeps nothing | Your staff only |
| Is it kept | On the provider’s terms | Kept on your instance; the provider is barred from retaining it | Stays on the unit |
| Can it train a model | On consumer tiers, yes | No, by contract | Only your own unit learns from it, on your hardware |
Part of AI data leakage in accounting firms. See how this works in practice: Client correspondence on Ermos.
Common questions
Do ChatGPT and Claude use the information in a payroll query email?
Can we use ChatGPT or Claude for a payroll query email if we remove the employees' names?
Does a ChatGPT Business or Claude Team plan make it safe to use for a payroll query email?
How can an accounting practice use AI for a payroll query email without sending it to ChatGPT or Claude?
The employees are not our clients. Do our obligations cover them?
Is an employee's TFN different from a client's?
Does an Ermos unit handle payroll data?
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